TIBETAN MASTIFF INFORMATION AND PHOTOS

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IT'S BETTER TO DEAL WITH AN HONEST PERSON YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH THAN SOMEONE WHO LIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS AND ANIMALS.

TIBETAN MASTIFFS COLORADO, TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPY RESERVATIONS IN COLORADO

WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE PUPPY SALES WITH THE INFORMATION ON THIS SITE.WE ARE NOT A BIG TIME BREEDER; NOR A THREAT TO ANY OTHER BREEDER. WE ARE NOT BREEDING FOR MONEY, OR THE SHOW RING. WE ARE NOT ABOUT "CONVINCING" YOU TO BUY A PUPPY FROM US..WE DIDN'T BREED WHEN PEOPLE WANTED US TO. WE DON'T BREED EVERY YEAR. WE JUST HOPE TO SAVE SOMEBODY ALL THE GRIEF AND HEARTACHE WE EXPERIENCED WITH AKC SHOW BREEDERS AND TO BE CAREFUL OF THOSE NOW MIGRATING TO UKC TO BOOST THEIR PUPPY SALES. BUY WHAT YOU LIKE BUT BE CAREFUL. EVERYBODY WILL BE VERY NICE TO YOU. DO YOUR RESEARCH.

I HAVE BEEN JUDGED BY "ELITISTS" WHOM HAVE NEVER MET ME. SOME HAVE PRE JUDGED ME MERELY FOR SPEAKING TO PEOPLE THEY DO NOT AGREEE WITH EVEN THOUGH I DO EVERYTHING THEY SAY SHOULD BE DONE. THESE ARE THE HYPOCRATS. DO AS I SAY; NOT AS I DO. I WOULD RATHER DEAL WITH AN HONEST PERSON I DISAGREE WITH; THAN SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS AND ANIMALS. YOU BE THE JUDGE. :) I HAVE FOUND THAT THOSE SUPPORTING AKC ARE ACTUALLY THE WORST BECAUSE THEY WON'T STAND UP TO THEM; EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. IT'S ALL ABOUT THEM AND NOT THE ANIMALS. I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR SOMEBODY WHO STANDS UP FOR SOMETHING THAN "RUN WITH A CROWD". IT'S ABOUT CHARACTER. I WOULD BE VERY WARY OF THOSE PROMOTING THE AKC. WHAT IS THEIR MOTIVE?

BEWARE OF BREEDER SERVICE SITES! I have found that those people selling breeder services on websites are the ones more likely spreading these rumors. They are the ones with money riding on sales. I have known a few who have spread these kind of rumors without ever meeting the person they are defaming. They also present themselves as being ethical. I have found this to be untrue. Remember, follow the money! REMEMBER I AM NOT SELLING PUPPIES WITH THIS SITE. MOST LIKELY, AS YOU ARE READING THIS, I DO NOT HAVE ANY PUPPIES TO SELL TO YOU. I AM JUST GIVING ADVICE BASED ON MY DIRECT EXPERIENCES. I am just appalled at the behavior of people that I have met since buying my first Tibetan Mastiff.

**** Here is a sample of RUMORS that have been spread about one breeder. This breeder was not in jail, had not lost his right to breed, or own dogs. They were only suspended from the AKC yet AKC still registered his dog without his knowledge. I believe their suspension was based only on these types of rumors and the fact they were boycotting the AKC because the AKC seems to allow this stuff to go on. Who in their right mind would want to register their dogs with a registry that believes these things? The following emails were forwarded to me by this breeder.

quote " If you would have told me your new phone number his would not have happened, I heard you went to jail, lost your right to breed and couldn't have dogs anymore. This was not from xxxxxx she knows not to gossip with me, I won't take the BS. I don't like negative comments or anyone talking about people. Plus she doesn't seem negative at all, she is always happy on the phone. " unquote

The following was written by the same person and again forwarded to me. The person is admitting they were able to register the breeder's dog without his permission by threatening the AKC with a lawsuit. The breeder was suspended by the AKC and apparently they registered the dog anyway. What does that say about your dog's safety when registereing with the AKC ?

quote: "BTW I could not use xxxxxx xxxx on xxxxxx'x paperswork. You now why? The pups would never win in the AKC shows.

I suggest before you go crazy on me that you understand the predicament I was paced in when AKC rejected xxxxxx for almost a year until I threatened a law suit." unquote

I don't always agree with people, but is that a reason to spread rumors that they are in jail? I personally do not think so . The emails were forwarded to me and these are not my words.

This is why everybody should get everything in writing. If you are a breeder you should be putting DNA on file and make sure you get vet reports from puppy buyers when they pass. Otherwise it is quite possible that people will spread rumors about health and genetics on dog's bred by somebody they don't like. Believe it or not? I am still having a hard time understanding why these people saying these awful rumors are using this breeder's dogs in their breeding programs? If you really believe this stuff; why not stay away , don't buy their dogs, and don't use them in your breedings? Weird . AKC has ignored my emails so why would I pay them to have this possibly happen to me? The only way AKC could convince me to register a dog with them is to require DNA of parents be on parents before the breedings are done and to give me the courtesey of responding to my emails and questions. Otherwise what good are they to me? If you bought a puppy from a person who spreads these types of rumors; what would they say about you as a puppy owner if you did something they didn't like? I would be very careful who you are dealing with.

These opinions are based on my experiences with AKC show breeders.

In recent years, all the slamming done by show people trying to protect their "dog businesses" from small unknown hobby breeders has resulted in the Tibetan Mastiff becoming less rare. People thinking they could make a "quick buck" and make a living off breeding them are now finding out that is not the case. Just go to to sites like this and you can find the remainder of last years breedings for 1500.00, 900.00 or less. I noticed several listings were just removed from a person I suspect to be involved in some sort of puppy buying ring since I posted this. I guess some "crazy" people are monitoring this site. How flattering :) I did however, make copies of those listings so I can refer to them down the road. Last year there were over ten pages alone on this site.

FOR MANY MORE LISTINGS $1600.00, $900.00 OR LESS LOADED WITH PUPPIES FROM LAST YEARS LISTINGS (PAGES AND PAGES OF THEM) CUT AND PASTE THE FOLLOWING LINKS:

CUT AND PASTE THE FOLLOWING YELLOW LINK TO FIND TIBETAN MASTIFF PUPPIES FOR AS LOW AS $400.00

http://dogs.oodle.com/tibetan_mastiff/for-sale/

I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT MOST OF THE PEDIGREES ARE SIMILAR.

http://www.nextdaypets.com/for_sale/?breed=1100261

http://www.hoobly.com/0/1892/0/

IF YOU ARE A BREEDER BEWARE OF BREEDERS AND THEIR PUPPY BROKER FRIENDS WHO I BELIEVE ARE BUYING PUPPIES "UNDERCOVER". HAVE A STRONG CONTRACT AND PUT DNA ON FILE. I WILL BE PUTTING DNA OF MY DOGS ON FILE SO WE CAN DO A LITTLE FACT FINDING DOWN THE ROAD AS EVIDENCE.

I believe this was caused by show breeders slamming others by spreading ridiculous rumors about those they were jealous of or in competition with. I believe this has led to the over-breeding of the Tibetan Mastiff and now we are seeing the effects of this behavior with pages and pages of people breeding the first two dogs they get regardless of health or structure. This leads me to what I have always said. Buy your puppy with your heart and eyes. Don't go by championships or price. Just because a dog is a so-called "champion" (follow the money) does not mean it is a good dog with healthy stable bloodlines. AKC does not require any type of testing, DNA testing for parentage and does not verify it's registry with owners leaving potential puppy buyers with a false sense of security. Just be sure the parents are healthy (TESTED) with stable temperaments. Many of the pedigrees are similar whether you are paying 2500.00+ or 900.00 -. You will know the dog you want. Just don't let somebody else "convince" you to buy what they are "marketing".

GETTING THE DOGS IN FRONT OF JUDGES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY - "CAMPAIGNERS" (GREAT ARTICLE EXPLAINS ALL ABOUT "FOLLOWING THE SHOW WORLD MONEY TRAIL!)

IS AN AKC CERTIFICATE A GAUARANTEE OF QUALITY OR ACCURACY? ABSOLUTELY NOT! 
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UCA

IMPORTANT INFORMATION WHEN RESEACHING BREEDERS

THE PURPOSE OF THIS WEBSITE IS TO TRY TO HELP OTHERS AND PREVENT THEM THEM WHAT I AND OTHERS AS "NEWCOMERS" HAD TO INDURE BY AKC SUPPORTED CORPORATE PUPPY MILLS AND SCAM ARTISTS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO "MAKE THEIR LIVING" OFF BREEDING DOGS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREEDING SEVERAL BREEDS AND PRODUCING MANY LITTERS PER YEAR. AKC LOVES THEM! THE MORE PUPPIES, THE MORE REGISTRATION REVENUE. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN - AKC IS NOT POLICING THEIR REGISTRY AND AS YOU READ ON; I WILL SHARE MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH YOU. AN AKC REGISTRATION PAPER IS A "WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER". THEIR POLICIES ENABLE PEOPLE TO STEAL DOGS, DETERMINE OWNERSHIP, AND IGNORE COMPLAINTS THAT COULD SAVE DOGS. FOLLOW THE MONEY! LONG TIME BREEDERS ARE THE WORST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES. WITH SO MUCH MONEY RIDING ON SHOW DOGS; THINGS GET BAD. SORT OF LIKE WASHINGTON; IT IS ALL ABOUT POWER AND MONEY AND STAYING IN CONTROL.

I am not in the "business" of breeding dogs and hope that these suggestions might be able to save somebody else what we went through. Prior to owning our first Tibetan Mastiff we only had rescue dogs. We never had an AKC registered dog. I am sorry to say that I feel the AKC is not an ethical organization at all and will never be able to support them until they can guarantee me as an owner and dog lover; they will police their registry. I don't want my dogs being put at risk to be stolen. The AKC has not proven to me that they care about the dogs. They have also demonstrated to me that they do determine ownership, contrary to what they say. This should be of great concern to anybody with an AKC registered dog. Your rights as an owner seem to be debatable with the AKC.

With so much money riding on show dogs; it is never good. Actually, I find many of these show breeders to be dysfunctional and quite scary. They actually have "their" people contact you to "keep track of you and your dogs". Sometimes I get erroneous emails from these scary people. They will have others try to buy puppies from you. They will literally "make stuff up" about you and your dogs in order to keep their "dog businesses" going and keep prices up. It is very scary to be involved in any way with these people. I just got an email recently from what appeared to be one of these weird individuals. They ask you questions, you give them your phone number, and you never hear from them again. Their are two types of breeders; those that are in it for the money and those who are in it for the love of the dogs and the breed. I never want to breed for a living or deal with people who have to lie to "work the systems" in all parts of their lives.

I have met all kinds. People threatening harm on people at dog shows. Believe it or not? These are the people who spread rumors. These type of people are delusional, changing their positions in order to steal or get something they want. They are extremely good at lying, believing their own lies. I don't understand how show people and judges believe them sight unseen. I think it is because they want so badly to discredit anybody who will get in the way of their "dog businesses" and those they are jealous of. Then there are the "God Bless You" ones. Give me a break. Talk about worthless words and using the name of God in vain! Worst kind. And last but not least; the ones who present themselves as some sort of expert, geneticist, or scientists. They love themselves. Quite an interesting crowd with way too much time on their hands in my opinion. One could write a book about this but they already have made a great movie depicting the realities of the dog show world. The movie is called "Best in Show". You can't make this stuff up! This is the world of AKC and dog shows. Trust me; you don't want to be involved with people like this. They are very nasty and I believe some of them can be dangerous.

I found this on the web and I feel it is a very good description of the breed. quote: "But it is the dog’s character that owner's talk about when they discuss their dogs. In this context, it has to be said that no breed is gentler or more kind with children and other baby animals. The breed is also known is “Heart Dog,” and no breed is either greater of heart, or better at “reading” the hearts of others." unquote. With that being said; it is important to research breeders. Issues can surface with any line that is highly inbred for one purpose or another.

IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN THAT SOME OF THE MOST UNPLEASANT HUMANS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH HAVE BEEN DRAWN TO THE BREED TO PROTECT THEIR OWN AGGRESSIVE AND HOSTILE REPUTATIONS AND PROJECT THEM ONTO THEIR EXOTIC CHANGES. THIS SEEMS TO BE A VERY TRUE AND SAD ASSESSMENT WITH THE TIBETAN MASTIFF. THESE ARE GOOD WORDS TO HEED; ESPECIALLY WITH LARGE AKC "corporate puppy mills". This brings to mind my former co-owner and his partner breeder; someone I have come to describe as an egotistical AKC judge/breeder. I did not realize I was being used because I made the mistake of thinking that AKC meant you were getting a good dog. Are you getting a good dog with the AKC breeder of merit?

I occasionally get erroneous emails from certain types of people. This is why the show crowd is  scary to me. I go back to what I read about the "most unpleasant humans on the face of the earth being drawn to the breed" and find it to be an accurate description. I have met all kinds of "strange" breeders. Some that lie about service dogs. Believe it or not? I feel this is particularly disingenuous because it could ruin it for people who truly need service dogs. I have also dealt with angry and mean breeders. So the quote about the most unpleasant people fits very well.

HOW TO IDENTIFY A GOOD TIBETAN MASTIFF BREEDER?

Because of my personal dealings with show people in general; I highly recommend staying away from any breeder who promotes their dogs as "champions". You have eyes and I believe most people will go with what their personal tastes are. I know that I will never deal with any of the breeders near me because of my personal experiences. Many of the AKC show breeders and "elitist" have migrated over to the UKC since many good people are leaving AKC because they are sick of the politics. It's all about marketing and money to them. It is my hope that these folks don't "contaminate" the UKC. Just remember, anybody that breeds more than one breed, is high volume, and pushes showing and membership in clubs are probably somebody you want to stay away from. An elitist is somebody who "thinks" they are better than everybody else and that their dogs are the only good ones. Use your eyes, judgment, and "follow your heart" when choosing a breeder.

SUGGESTED BREEDER GUIDELINES

Stay away from breeders who are constantly bragging about "championships". Breeding for the show ring can lead to all kinds of fraud, corruption, and unethical behaviors such as inbreeding, false pedigrees, and unhealthily / unstable dogs. These things are done because there is so much money riding on show dogs that include show, handling, and other fees. Small "hobby breeders" usually are not concentrating on winning in the ring; therefore it only makes sense that they are more focused on health, temperament, and stability. They are generally more concerned with the dogs rather than being part of "elite" groups and do not incur all the overhead of the show ring. Championships can be bought. Be wary of "elite" breeder sites that endorse showing and memberships in clubs. People like this usually feel they are better than everybody else. It is not a becoming trait and usually winds up in competition for sales and notoriety. Clubs and showing is no different than any other political organization. It is almost always corrupt and beneficial to those in charge. Do you really want to deal with somebody that admits they are an "elitist" and better than others?

THIS IS A BIGGIE! AVOID HIGH VOLUME MULTIPLE BREED BREEDERS. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF BREEDING MULTIPLE BREEDS AND LITTERS PER YEAR? HOW CAN SEVERAL LITTERS OF PUPPIES BE PROPERLY SOCIALIZED? MY WORST EXPERIENCES HAVE BEEN WITH MULTIPLE BREED HIGH VOLUME BREEDERS.

AVOID CONTRACTS THAT REQUIRE YOU BREED AND GIVE PUPPIES BACK. 

AVOID CONTRACTS THAT REQUIRE YOU SHOW THE DOG.

PERSON IN POSSESSION OF THE DOG SHOULD BE LISTED AS OWNER OR IF THEY ARE NOT YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE BREEDER OF THE DOG TO MAKE SURE THEY DID NOT STEAL OR OBTAIN THE DOG THROUGH A PUPPY BROKER SENT TO DECEPTIVELY BUY FROM A BREEDER WHO WILL NOT SELL TO THEM.

AVOID HIGHLY INBRED LINES. THIS IS CALLED C.O.I. (co-incidence of inbreeding) Just search the subject and you can find many articles of explanation.

LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE PEDIGREE. SOME LINES CAN BE MORE DIFFICULT

I HAVE FOUND THAT SMALL HOBBY BREEDERS ARE IN "MOST" INSTANCES MORE ETHICAL.

ASK TO SEE HIP, ELBOW, AND THYROID TESTING ON THE PARENTS OF THE LITTER.

CHECK TO SEE IF ANY HEALTH ISSUES ARE IN THE PEDIGREE THAT CANNOT BE TESTED PRIOR TO BEING ACTIVE; SUCH AS ADDISON'S DISEASE. IF A BREEDER TELLS YOU THE DOG HAS TESTED NEGATIVE FOR ADDISONS DISEASE I WOULD BE VERY WARY. ADDISONS DISEASE WILL ONLY TEST POSITIVE IF THE DISEASE IS ACTIVE. ADDISONS USUALLY DOES NOT SHOW UP UNTIL MIDDLE DOG AGE, PRIMARILY IN FEMALES AROUND THREE YEARS OLD. DON'T BE FOOLED BY A TEST FOR A DISEASE THAT CANNOT BE DETECTED UNTIL ACTIVE.

DO THEY RE HOME THEIR DOGS YOUNG AFTER BEING BRED? THIS IS THE SIGN OF A HIGH VOLUME CORPORATE PUPPY MILL IMO.

A REPUTABLE BREEDER DOES NOT PUT THEIR KENNEL NAME ON A DOG BRED BY SOMEBODY ELSE. I.E.

IS THE PERSON NARSACCISTIC? I AM SURE YOU KNOW THE TYPE. THEY CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF THEMSELVES. THE WORST ONES I HAVE DEALT WITH ARE CONSTANTLY POSTING PHOTOS OF THEMSELVES. ONE HIGH VOLUME AKC CORPORATE MULTI BREED BREEDER I PERSONALLY DEALT WITH WAS VERY GOOD AT LYING AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS. THE OLD "GOD BLESS YOU" AND APPEARANCE OF BEING A DECENT PERSON. THESE PEOPLE WILL BE VERY, VERY, NICE TO YOU, HOWEVER, I HAVE MY DOUBTS ABOUT THEM AND THEIR PEDIGREES. DNA WILL EVENTUALLY PROVE OR DISPROVE THESE QUESTIONS. WE WILL SEE !

WHAT IS THE OLDEST THEIR DOGS HAVE LIVED? DO THEY EVEN KNOW? ONE BREEDER GOT TWO DOGS FROM ME AND THEY DIED VERY YOUNG FROM UNKNOWN CAUSES.

REMEMBER AN AKC REGISTERED DOG FROM A BREEDER OF MERIT DOES IS NOT NECESSARILY A SIGN OF QUALITY, HEALTH, OR AN ACCURATE PEDIGREE.

BE WARY OF BREEDERS SELLING SERVICES. AFTER ALL, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF ADVERTISING? A HIGH VOLUME PUPPY MILL IS MORE APT TO PAY SOMEBODY TO ADVERTISE. BECAUSE THEY ARE BREEDING MANY LITTERS AND HAVE TO MOVE THEM. SMALL HOBBY BREEDERS DON'T HAVE THE VOLUME NECESSARY TO REQUIRE PAYING FOR ADVERTISEMENTS IMO. THERE ARE ALWAYS THOSE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A BUCK OFF THE BREED I GUESS. THAT IS WHAT SEPARATES THE TRUE ANIMAL LOVERS FROM THE ONES WHO ARE JUST USING THEM AS A TOOL TO MAKE MONEY.

SOME SAY THEY WILL NEVER ALLOW THEIR DOGS IN SHELTERS; PERIOD. ASK THEM HOW MANY DOGS THEY HAVE TAKEN BACK. ASK TO SPEAK TO BOTH THE NEW AND OLD OWNERS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DOGS TAKEN BACK. A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL SAY A LOT OF THINGS, BUT WHAT THEY SAY AND DO MAY BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

HOW LONG HAVE THEY OWNED TIBETAN MASTIFFS? HAVING JUST TWO IS NOT THE SAME AS HAVING MULTIPLE MALES AND FEMALES. You really haven't' experienced everything about the Tibetan Mastiff until you have had more than one of each sex during a breeding season.

YOU WILL FIND CERTAIN "ELITISTS" SITES THAT ARE EXACTLY THAT! PEOPLE WHO FEEL THEY ARE BETTER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE. I VIEW THEM AS BLOWHARDS; talking a bunch of B.S. THERE ARE SEVERAL WHO HAVE NO CREDIBILITY AMONG THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND THE TIBETAN MASTIFF BLOCK! ASK TO SEE THEIR CREDENTIALS. IF THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES AS HEALTH AND GENETIC EXPERTS; ASK THEM ABOUT THEIR CREDENTIALS AND WHAT THEIR DEGREE FOCUSES ON. ASK THEM HOW MANY LITTERS AND HOW MANY PUPPIES THEY HAVE ACTUALLY HAD. IT'S EASY TO TALK THE TALK WITHOUT WALKING THE WALK. THEY GO ON AND ON ABOUT QUESTIONAIRES AND BEAT EVERYBODY UP. KEEP IT SIMPLE. I THINK I HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN AND IN THE END GO WITH YOUR HEART AND GUT. DOGS HAVE BETTER SENSES THAN HUMANS. SEE HOW ANIMALS RELATE TO THEM. THEY ARE THE BEST JUDGES. I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING BUT AT LEAST I CAN HELP SOMEBODY ELSE FROM BEING "DUPED" BY THESE PEOPLE LIKE I WAS :) I THINK THAT IF YOU HAVE A TIGHT CONTRACT; YOU WILL KNOW WHO YOU ARE DEALING WITH. I have learned enough from life experiences t to know who I am staying away from. I have learned to separate the B.S. and "fluff" from people who really do care about the breed.